Plan B » Another case of excessive force by police.

SaraG · 9/13/2015 10:50 pm

Braveone99 wrote:
Zurich Moon wrote:
Braveone99 wrote:
Hello,

There are many posters that know I am from a family of law enforcement professionals. Please allow me to speak from this perspective and with much experience.

I am aware of the James Blake situation and have an opinion. First, what if this was the suspect officer Frascatore was looking for and not James Blake? Would it have been a good arrest on the part of undercover officer Frascatore and would we praise him for this? I think yes.

Did Frascatore use excessive force? No, I don't think he did. Thrown to the ground, face down and knee pressed against the lower spine is common police tactic to apprehend. Again, if this was the suspect Frascatore was pursuing what should he have done? Say "Hello I am an undercover police officer, may I arrest you?" Come on now. Granted Blake was mistakenly taken for the suspect, even though he was a "dead ringer", but all worked out in the end and even Blake said he was not hurt.

Police work is more difficult than it looks. It is common for crime suspects to resist arrest and the officer needs to be prepared. If a tragedy occurs during confrontation, people are quick to assume police brutality. There are complexities and dangers involved when officers are faced with quick decisions when making an arrest. In this case Blake was not the suspect and did not resist allowing officer Frascatore to reevaluate and Blake was not hurt.

It happens sometimes but what if Blake was the suspect? IMO officer Frascatore did nothing wrong, he was doing his job. This is not in defence of the "bad cop" which does exist but not in this particular case imo.

In this instance, I agree that the officer did not use excessive force (assuming he identified himself as an undercover cop in a timely manner.) Having seen the photo of the suspect, I can understand how he would be mistaken for my beloved James. Unfortunately, a lot of good cops are paying a huge price for all of the bad cops who have gotten away with murder, both literally and figuratively, over time. With the advent of the cell phone vids, the arrogance, corruption and racism long associated with law enforcement can no longer be denied. This leaves us in a very scary place...with the rash of senseless cop killings, the police are going to be more on edge and more aggressive, understandably so. With the viral videos we have seen of innocent citizens being slaughtered at the hands of cops, the people fear for their lives and are more prone to resist arrest. I don't know the solution, but a good place to start is to eliminate bad cops when they are exposed without excuses or hesitation. This matter will never get better until the people can trust their law enforcement to serve and protect them honorably. Won't happen overnight but it's time to start.
Hi Zurich,

Thanks for your response.

Expecting an undercover cop to identify him or her self defeats the whole purpose of undercover. Wouldn't you agree?

You are right, many good cops are being scrutinized because of bad cops. Not necessarily a bad thing imo. I can tell you with confidence that the majority of cops are good and are as upset as the citizens to acknowledge the bad cops. Many officers police themselves and take action against those disgracing the badge, sometimes quietly but very effective.

Citizens need to gain back their trust in law enforcement to honorably serve and protect. The solution is complex for sure. A good beginning is community policing with more "boots on the ground" and talking with the neighborhood leaders and every day citizens. I happen to live and work in a community that has dedicated resources to make this happen. So far, so good! It doesn't take much to drop a dime on a criminal or "bad cop".

Won't happen overnight but, as you say, it is time to start. Stories blown out of proportion like with your beloved James don't help. BTW, his face is kickass gorgeous and thankfully still intact.

This phrase gave me a good chuckle, "Drop a dime," I haven't heard that since the old black and white movies of the 50's. I think it comes from the days when pay phones cost a dime. Anyway, I don't see how citizens can begin to trust cops when these incidents continue to occur. I think most adults realize that police work is difficult and dangerous and we also realize that people should not apply for the job if they cannot accept the risks involved. They also should not have the job if they cannot follow the procedures without jumping the gun, no pun intended. Suppose you were standing on a street minding your own business and out of nowhere someone rushed you without saying a word and threw you to the ground. They were looking for someone involved in credit card fraud -- not a murderer or terrorist.

Braveone99 · 9/13/2015 10:58 pm

SaraG wrote:
Braveone99 wrote:
Hello,

There are many posters that know I am from a family of law enforcement professionals. Please allow me to speak from this perspective and with much experience.

I am aware of the James Blake situation and have an opinion. First, what if this was the suspect officer Frascatore was looking for and not James Blake? Would it have been a good arrest on the part of undercover officer Frascatore and would we praise him for this? I think yes.

Did Frascatore use excessive force? No, I don't think he did. Thrown to the ground, face down and knee pressed against the lower spine is common police tactic to apprehend. Again, if this was the suspect Frascatore was pursuing what should he have done? Say "Hello I am an undercover police officer, may I arrest you?" Come on now. Granted Blake was mistakenly taken for the suspect, even though he was a "dead ringer", but all worked out in the end and even Blake said he was not hurt.

Police work is more difficult than it looks. It is common for crime suspects to resist arrest and the officer needs to be prepared. If a tragedy occurs during confrontation, people are quick to assume police brutality. There are complexities and dangers involved when officers are faced with quick decisions when making an arrest. In this case Blake was not the suspect and did not resist allowing officer Frascatore to reevaluate and Blake was not hurt.

It happens sometimes but what if Blake was the suspect? IMO officer Frascatore did nothing wrong, he was doing his job. This is not in defence of the "bad cop" which does exist but not in this particular case imo.
Braveone, I have police officers in my family also, including a retired police chief. A big question is this, if the officers felt they did the right thing, why didn't they report it to their superiors? The police commissioner, Bill Bratton, said they did not report it. You may feel it is acceptable for a cop to run up and tackle someone they suspect is a criminal, but that is not how our system works. Citizens should be able to stand on a street without a policeman attacking them. The officer did not identify himself. Even if James Blake had been the person they were looking for, it is still improper procedure. Laws are in place for a reason. It is time cops start recognizing they are to follow the laws also. Their job is to serve and protect, not attack and ask questions later.

Hi SaraG,

Good to hear from you!

Not sure what you mean by not reporting it. There were other uniform officers assisting on scene so how was it not reported? Running up and tackling a suspect is how it works sometimes. It's called the element of surprise used not only by law enforcement but also by perps wanting to hurt you.

Citizens are able to stand on the street without police "attacking" them. Suspects not so much. Fact is, Blake was a dead ringer for the actual suspect and Frascatore did his job. Very well imo with no one getting hurt. What else do you think he should have done?
Braveone

SaraG · 9/13/2015 11:36 pm

Zurich Moon wrote:
SaraG wrote:
Zurich Moon wrote:

Me too, Shiny. This has gone too far...James Blake is far too pretty to be thrown around like that . They need to tackle Trump!
I'm sure James Blake did not see the humor in this situation. Or, any of the other unarmed innocent men who have ended up dead because of the actions of hot headed police officers.

Thank goodness reasonable people can make the distinction between laughing at a silly (but serious) lust for James Blake (with his pretty self), and laughing at the abuse or killing of innocent young men

Thank goodness reasonable people could recognize the dangerous situation that Mr. Blake was put in. A situation that could very well have lead to something tragic. The potential was there for that to happen. I never said anyone was laughing at abuse or killing.

Braveone99 · 9/13/2015 11:48 pm

SaraG,

You are correct "drop a dime" originates from the 10 cent pay phone call. It is now slang for "cover your ass".

You are also correct that the suspect was involved in credit card fraud but suppose this;
You are standing on the street minding your own business and out of nowhere this same suspect rushed you without saying a word, threw you to the ground, stole your wallet containing your credit cards and broke your arm. If you resisted he might have even killed you just to steal your credit cards.The credit card fraud becomes murder. Wouldn't you want law enforcement to do their job and catch this suspect? Catching him might involve going by a photo, taking the suspect down without harm and asking questions later. That is exactly what happened with Blake. Frascatore did the job he is expected to do.

Just talking about this particular incident, although I am sure there are others. Are there bad cops out there? Probably, but they are far and few between and certainly not the majority.

SaraG · 9/13/2015 11:49 pm

Braveone99 wrote:
SaraG wrote:
Braveone99 wrote:
Hello,

There are many posters that know I am from a family of law enforcement professionals. Please allow me to speak from this perspective and with much experience.

I am aware of the James Blake situation and have an opinion. First, what if this was the suspect officer Frascatore was looking for and not James Blake? Would it have been a good arrest on the part of undercover officer Frascatore and would we praise him for this? I think yes.

Did Frascatore use excessive force? No, I don't think he did. Thrown to the ground, face down and knee pressed against the lower spine is common police tactic to apprehend. Again, if this was the suspect Frascatore was pursuing what should he have done? Say "Hello I am an undercover police officer, may I arrest you?" Come on now. Granted Blake was mistakenly taken for the suspect, even though he was a "dead ringer", but all worked out in the end and even Blake said he was not hurt.

Police work is more difficult than it looks. It is common for crime suspects to resist arrest and the officer needs to be prepared. If a tragedy occurs during confrontation, people are quick to assume police brutality. There are complexities and dangers involved when officers are faced with quick decisions when making an arrest. In this case Blake was not the suspect and did not resist allowing officer Frascatore to reevaluate and Blake was not hurt.

It happens sometimes but what if Blake was the suspect? IMO officer Frascatore did nothing wrong, he was doing his job. This is not in defence of the "bad cop" which does exist but not in this particular case imo.
Braveone, I have police officers in my family also, including a retired police chief. A big question is this, if the officers felt they did the right thing, why didn't they report it to their superiors? The police commissioner, Bill Bratton, said they did not report it. You may feel it is acceptable for a cop to run up and tackle someone they suspect is a criminal, but that is not how our system works. Citizens should be able to stand on a street without a policeman attacking them. The officer did not identify himself. Even if James Blake had been the person they were looking for, it is still improper procedure. Laws are in place for a reason. It is time cops start recognizing they are to follow the laws also. Their job is to serve and protect, not attack and ask questions later.

Hi SaraG,

Good to hear from you!

Not sure what you mean by not reporting it. There were other uniform officers assisting on scene so how was it not reported? Running up and tackling a suspect is how it works sometimes. It's called the element of surprise used not only by law enforcement but also by perps wanting to hurt you.

Citizens are able to stand on the street without police "attacking" them. Suspects not so much. Fact is, Blake was a dead ringer for the actual suspect and Frascatore did his job. Very well imo with no one getting hurt. What else do you think he should have done?
Braveone

The Commissioner of Police said the officers did not report the incident to their superiors. That is one of the reasons he asked for an investigation. If it had not been for Mr. Blake reporting it, the department would not have known.

I don't know what he should have done. I know what this officer has done in other incidents, at least what has been publicized. He fights suspects and verbally insults them with racial slurs. I'm not a cop and having officers in my family does not make me an expert on police procedure. I really doubt it is okay to assault someone just because they THINK they might have the right person. They acted on a tip from someone. Like I said before, they were not looking for a murderer.

Zurich Moon · 9/14/2015 12:47 am

Braveone99 wrote:
Zurich Moon wrote:
Braveone99 wrote:
Hello,

There are many posters that know I am from a family of law enforcement professionals. Please allow me to speak from this perspective and with much experience.

I am aware of the James Blake situation and have an opinion. First, what if this was the suspect officer Frascatore was looking for and not James Blake? Would it have been a good arrest on the part of undercover officer Frascatore and would we praise him for this? I think yes.

Did Frascatore use excessive force? No, I don't think he did. Thrown to the ground, face down and knee pressed against the lower spine is common police tactic to apprehend. Again, if this was the suspect Frascatore was pursuing what should he have done? Say "Hello I am an undercover police officer, may I arrest you?" Come on now. Granted Blake was mistakenly taken for the suspect, even though he was a "dead ringer", but all worked out in the end and even Blake said he was not hurt.

Police work is more difficult than it looks. It is common for crime suspects to resist arrest and the officer needs to be prepared. If a tragedy occurs during confrontation, people are quick to assume police brutality. There are complexities and dangers involved when officers are faced with quick decisions when making an arrest. In this case Blake was not the suspect and did not resist allowing officer Frascatore to reevaluate and Blake was not hurt.

It happens sometimes but what if Blake was the suspect? IMO officer Frascatore did nothing wrong, he was doing his job. This is not in defence of the "bad cop" which does exist but not in this particular case imo.

In this instance, I agree that the officer did not use excessive force (assuming he identified himself as an undercover cop in a timely manner.) Having seen the photo of the suspect, I can understand how he would be mistaken for my beloved James. Unfortunately, a lot of good cops are paying a huge price for all of the bad cops who have gotten away with murder, both literally and figuratively, over time. With the advent of the cell phone vids, the arrogance, corruption and racism long associated with law enforcement can no longer be denied. This leaves us in a very scary place...with the rash of senseless cop killings, the police are going to be more on edge and more aggressive, understandably so. With the viral videos we have seen of innocent citizens being slaughtered at the hands of cops, the people fear for their lives and are more prone to resist arrest. I don't know the solution, but a good place to start is to eliminate bad cops when they are exposed without excuses or hesitation. This matter will never get better until the people can trust their law enforcement to serve and protect them honorably. Won't happen overnight but it's time to start.
Hi Zurich,

Thanks for your response.

Expecting an undercover cop to identify him or her self defeats the whole purpose of undercover. Wouldn't you agree?

You are right, many good cops are being scrutinized because of bad cops. Not necessarily a bad thing imo. I can tell you with confidence that the majority of cops are good and are as upset as the citizens to acknowledge the bad cops. Many officers police themselves and take action against those disgracing the badge, sometimes quietly but very effective.

Citizens need to gain back their trust in law enforcement to honorably serve and protect. The solution is complex for sure. A good beginning is community policing with more "boots on the ground" and talking with the neighborhood leaders and every day citizens. I happen to live and work in a community that has dedicated resources to make this happen. So far, so good! It doesn't take much to drop a dime on a criminal or "bad cop".

Won't happen overnight but, as you say, it is time to start. Stories blown out of proportion like with your beloved James don't help. BTW, his face is kickass gorgeous and thankfully still intact.

lol, Brave...I said Identify "in a timely manner"...it would indeed by silly for an undercover cop to intrduce him or herself as such in advance. Of course the priority is to first gain control of the situation I absolutely agree that a "boots on the ground" approach with open communication with community leaders would go a long way in bridging the gap. I also agree with you that the overwhelming majority of cops are good, and I am thankful for each and every one of them. Thank you for recognizing the gorgeousness that is MY James...first thing tomorrow morning I am calling Govenor Cuomo and telling him that ANY crime James commits should go unpunished! BACK AWAY FROM THE FACE!

SaraG · 9/14/2015 12:51 am

Braveone99 wrote:
SaraG,

You are correct "drop a dime" originates from the 10 cent pay phone call. It is now slang for "cover your ass".

You are also correct that the suspect was involved in credit card fraud but suppose this;
You are standing on the street minding your own business and out of nowhere this same suspect rushed you without saying a word, threw you to the ground, stole your wallet containing your credit cards and broke your arm. If you resisted he might have even killed you just to steal your credit cards.The credit card fraud becomes murder. Wouldn't you want law enforcement to do their job and catch this suspect? Catching him might involve going by a photo, taking the suspect down without harm and asking questions later. That is exactly what happened with Blake. Frascatore did the job he is expected to do.

Just talking about this particular incident, although I am sure there are others. Are there bad cops out there? Probably, but they are far and few between and certainly not the majority.

If he did the job he was expected to do, he would not be in hot water as we speak. You are entitled to your opinion and I am also. When you say are there are probably bad cops, that seems like a strange statement considering what has been happening in Cleveland and Los Angeles for many years, and those are just two places. Probably hardly describes what has been happening across this country with cops and how some of them are totally out of control. Yes, I know most of them do a great job, and I know that in recent days they are being killed without mercy or justification. However, in this case I do not feel the way this officer handled things was appropriate.

Your hypothetical case is not an analogy for what happened. First of all cops are to serve and protect and they get paid to do so. Credit card thieves do not have that obligation. Of course someone could be jumped by a criminal and the police would be expected to do their job in finding the criminal. You could come up with examples of your choice all night, it doesn't change my opinion and I'm not trying to change yours. Nice chatting with you and I've said all I need to on this subject.

Zurich Moon · 9/14/2015 2:01 am

SaraG wrote:
Zurich Moon wrote:
SaraG wrote:

I'm sure James Blake did not see the humor in this situation. Or, any of the other unarmed innocent men who have ended up dead because of the actions of hot headed police officers.

Thank goodness reasonable people can make the distinction between laughing at a silly (but serious) lust for James Blake (with his pretty self), and laughing at the abuse or killing of innocent young men
Thank goodness reasonable people could recognize the dangerous situation that Mr. Blake was put in. A situation that could very well have lead to something tragic. The potential was there for that to happen. I never said anyone was laughing at abuse or killing.

Sara,You probably haven't heard that James Blake survived this dangerous encounter. He did . Neither Spunky, Teluog, NESunrise, nor myself were laughing at James being assaulted. The laughter was clearly in response to my complete and utter lust for James. At the time we exchanged those few chuckles, James was alive, safe and likely being comforted and cared for by that woman he had no business marrying, whom I'm sure is quite lovely. I don't know Spunky, Teluog or NESunrise very well, but I have read enough of their posts to feel comfortable in saying they would never find humor in the assault or killing of an innocent person. Any suggestion to the contrary is entirely foolish and misguided.

teluog · 9/14/2015 6:58 am

Please tell me we aren't going to start just accepting that a cop can walk down the street, think he's found a suspect for a non violent crime and just attack. The point is, this cop was wrong, he had the wrong guy, this could happen to any of us. Luckily no-one was hurt this time. When you tackle someone and take them down face first onto the pavement, anything could have happened, he could have broken his nose, his teeth, you don't hit the pavement and get up and say, oh, that was fun. If a cop can't even handle the arrest of an innocent person in a proper manner, he doesn't have any business being a cop. We can't just say, well he thought he was guilty of something he had every right to tackle him, he didn't have a right to tackle him, he was an innocent man. This is getting scary. That's just my opinion.

Zurich Moon · 9/14/2015 7:43 am

teluog wrote:
Please tell me we aren't going to start just accepting that a cop can walk down the street, think he's found a suspect for a non violent crime and just attack. The point is, this cop was wrong, he had the wrong guy, this could happen to any of us. Luckily no-one was hurt this time. When you tackle someone and take them down face first onto the pavement, anything could have happened, he could have broken his nose, his teeth, you don't hit the pavement and get up and say, oh, that was fun. If a cop can't even handle the arrest of an innocent person in a proper manner, he doesn't have any business being a cop. We can't just say, well he thought he was guilty of something he had every right to tackle him, he didn't have a right to tackle him, he was an innocent man. This is getting scary. That's just my opinion.

I agree with you...but for their own protection, and the protection of others, cops have to take control of a situation if they believe they have a suspect...and I don't think it's unreasonable if that sometimes means taking someone to the ground. There is a huge difference between taking control and abusing, and I believe their justification for arresting/detaining someone has to make sense. In a perfect world no one would ever be wrongfully detained or arrested...but it is going to happen because cops are not perfect. Innocent people are going to thrown to the ground and injured at the hands of good, well-intentioned cops. I don't know what the protocol is for making an arrest as it relates to the severity of the alleged crime, but the force used should certainly be reasonable. With the rash of senseless cop killings of late, I can understand them being on edge and aggressive. And we've all seen the senseless killings of innocent citizens at the hands of bad cops, so I understand why people would be prone to resisting. We are in trouble...

Dori · 9/14/2015 9:17 am

SaraG wrote:
Braveone99 wrote:
Hello,

There are many posters that know I am from a family of law enforcement professionals. Please allow me to speak from this perspective and with much experience.

I am aware of the James Blake situation and have an opinion. First, what if this was the suspect officer Frascatore was looking for and not James Blake? Would it have been a good arrest on the part of undercover officer Frascatore and would we praise him for this? I think yes.

Did Frascatore use excessive force? No, I don't think he did. Thrown to the ground, face down and knee pressed against the lower spine is common police tactic to apprehend. Again, if this was the suspect Frascatore was pursuing what should he have done? Say "Hello I am an undercover police officer, may I arrest you?" Come on now. Granted Blake was mistakenly taken for the suspect, even though he was a "dead ringer", but all worked out in the end and even Blake said he was not hurt.

Police work is more difficult than it looks. It is common for crime suspects to resist arrest and the officer needs to be prepared. If a tragedy occurs during confrontation, people are quick to assume police brutality. There are complexities and dangers involved when officers are faced with quick decisions when making an arrest. In this case Blake was not the suspect and did not resist allowing officer Frascatore to reevaluate and Blake was not hurt.

It happens sometimes but what if Blake was the suspect? IMO officer Frascatore did nothing wrong, he was doing his job. This is not in defence of the "bad cop" which does exist but not in this particular case imo.
Braveone, I have police officers in my family also, including a retired police chief. A big question is this, if the officers felt they did the right thing, why didn't they report it to their superiors? The police commissioner, Bill Bratton, said they did not report it. You may feel it is acceptable for a cop to run up and tackle someone they suspect is a criminal, but that is not how our system works. Citizens should be able to stand on a street without a policeman attacking them. The officer did not identify himself. Even if James Blake had been the person they were looking for, it is still improper procedure. Laws are in place for a reason. It is time cops start recognizing they are to follow the laws also. Their job is to serve and protect, not attack and ask questions later.

Edited to add: This cop has other charges against him for excessive force.in other incidents. He punched a guy in the mouth several times and another person in the stomach and each time used racial slurs.

Im with Sara on this! I happened to get on Cnn website last night and read some of the incidences going on in this country that nobody even hears about! It was so sickening to read those articles ,I had to get off! Didnt even want to put any of it on here because it wont change peoples minds! People need to pay attention and research! These cops NEED to be stopped!!!

Last edited by Dori (9/14/2015 9:18 am)

SaraG · 9/14/2015 2:15 pm

Zurich Moon wrote:
SaraG wrote:
Zurich Moon wrote:

Thank goodness reasonable people can make the distinction between laughing at a silly (but serious) lust for James Blake (with his pretty self), and laughing at the abuse or killing of innocent young men
Thank goodness reasonable people could recognize the dangerous situation that Mr. Blake was put in. A situation that could very well have lead to something tragic. The potential was there for that to happen. I never said anyone was laughing at abuse or killing.

Sara,You probably haven't heard that James Blake survived this dangerous encounter. He did . Neither Spunky, Teluog, NESunrise, nor myself were laughing at James being assaulted. The laughter was clearly in response to my complete and utter lust for James. At the time we exchanged those few chuckles, James was alive, safe and likely being comforted and cared for by that woman he had no business marrying, whom I'm sure is quite lovely. I don't know Spunky, Teluog or NESunrise very well, but I have read enough of their posts to feel comfortable in saying they would never find humor in the assault or killing of an innocent person. Any suggestion to the contrary is entirely foolish and misguided.

Considering that I started this topic, I thought you could assume I know Mr. Blake is alive and well. I am neither foolish or misguided. And, I did not say they would laugh at someone being killed or assaulted. I am saying the situation could have ended in a tragic way and for that reason I don't see how jokes can be made about it. I know you are joking about his looks being great and I get your point. To me he is average looking, but hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Much like humor.

NESunrise · 9/14/2015 4:22 pm

I don't think any of what happened to Mr. Blake is funny. I do however, find Zurich's written descriptions of her feelings for Mr. Blake, downright hysterical. I get alot more of the local news coverage of this because I live in close proximity. The situation is definately not funny.

Zurich Moon · 9/14/2015 6:47 pm

NESunrise wrote:
I don't think any of what happened to Mr. Blake is funny. I do however, find Zurich's written descriptions of her feelings for Mr. Blake, downright hysterical. I get alot more of the local news coverage of this because I live in close proximity. The situation is definately not funny.

Thank you, NE . Not one of us was laughing at what happened to him, and I can't imagine anyone here doing so. It really was perfectly clear. Now, what makes you think I have feelings for that GORGEOUS man that I wouldn't mind assaulting???

Spunky · 9/14/2015 6:59 pm

Zurich Moon wrote:
NESunrise wrote:
I don't think any of what happened to Mr. Blake is funny. I do however, find Zurich's written descriptions of her feelings for Mr. Blake, downright hysterical. I get alot more of the local news coverage of this because I live in close proximity. The situation is definately not funny.
Thank you, NE . Not one of us was laughing at what happened to him, and I can't imagine anyone here doing so. It really was perfectly clear. Now, what makes you think I have feelings for that GORGEOUS man that I wouldn't mind assaulting???

I agree, I'd never make fun of the terrible situation our nation is facing with the 'bad' cops, and young people being shot and or falsely arrested. And I also know that not all cops fall into that category.

This one particular cop has a prior history of being overly aggressive with possible suspects these headlines about Blake has brought to light past complaints against Frascatore, who is the defendant in at least two earlier lawsuits alleging excessive use of force. And people who say they were on the receiving end are coming forward with their allegations.

So we will see what the outcome will be for Frascatore, because Blake wants him fired, for the way he was treated. And I agree with him...some people should not be in that profession.

As far as what I said about DTbeing slammed down face first..I stand by.

Zurich Moon · 9/14/2015 7:00 pm

SaraG wrote:
Zurich Moon wrote:
SaraG wrote:

Thank goodness reasonable people could recognize the dangerous situation that Mr. Blake was put in. A situation that could very well have lead to something tragic. The potential was there for that to happen. I never said anyone was laughing at abuse or killing.

Sara,You probably haven't heard that James Blake survived this dangerous encounter. He did . Neither Spunky, Teluog, NESunrise, nor myself were laughing at James being assaulted. The laughter was clearly in response to my complete and utter lust for James. At the time we exchanged those few chuckles, James was alive, safe and likely being comforted and cared for by that woman he had no business marrying, whom I'm sure is quite lovely. I don't know Spunky, Teluog or NESunrise very well, but I have read enough of their posts to feel comfortable in saying they would never find humor in the assault or killing of an innocent person. Any suggestion to the contrary is entirely foolish and misguided.
Considering that I started this topic, I thought you could assume I know Mr. Blake is alive and well. I am neither foolish or misguided. And, I did not say they would laugh at someone being killed or assaulted. I am saying the situation could have ended in a tragic way and for that reason I don't see how jokes can be made about it. I know you are joking about his looks being great and I get your point. To me he is average looking, but hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Much like humor.

I didn't call you foolish or misguided, Sara...I said any suggestion that we would find humor in the assault or killing of an innocent person is foolish and misguided...big difference. I think everyone here understands what could have happened. And I am delighted that you don't find him attractive to the extent that I do...one less person I have to assault en route to him

NESunrise · 9/14/2015 7:01 pm

Zurich Moon wrote:
NESunrise wrote:
I don't think any of what happened to Mr. Blake is funny. I do however, find Zurich's written descriptions of her feelings for Mr. Blake, downright hysterical. I get alot more of the local news coverage of this because I live in close proximity. The situation is definately not funny.
Thank you, NE . Not one of us was laughing at what happened to him, and I can't imagine anyone here doing so. It really was perfectly clear. Now, what makes you think I have feelings for that GORGEOUS man that I wouldn't mind assaulting???

LOL perhaps APPRECIATION for NATURAL BEAUTY is a better word than "feelings"

Zurich Moon · 9/14/2015 7:33 pm

Spunky wrote:
Zurich Moon wrote:
NESunrise wrote:
I don't think any of what happened to Mr. Blake is funny. I do however, find Zurich's written descriptions of her feelings for Mr. Blake, downright hysterical. I get alot more of the local news coverage of this because I live in close proximity. The situation is definately not funny.
Thank you, NE . Not one of us was laughing at what happened to him, and I can't imagine anyone here doing so. It really was perfectly clear. Now, what makes you think I have feelings for that GORGEOUS man that I wouldn't mind assaulting???
I agree, I'd never make fun of the terrible situation our nation is facing with the 'bad' cops, and young people being shot and or falsely arrested. And I also know that not all cops fall into that category.

This one particular cop has a prior history of being overly aggressive with possible suspects these headlines about Blake has brought to light past complaints against Frascatore, who is the defendant in at least two earlier lawsuits alleging excessive use of force. And people who say they were on the receiving end are coming forward with their allegations.

So we will see what the outcome will be for Frascatore, because Blake wants him fired, for the way he was treated. And I agree with him...some people should not be in that profession.

As far as what I said about DTbeing slammed down face first..I stand by.

Zurich Moon · 9/14/2015 7:37 pm

NESunrise wrote:
Zurich Moon wrote:
NESunrise wrote:
I don't think any of what happened to Mr. Blake is funny. I do however, find Zurich's written descriptions of her feelings for Mr. Blake, downright hysterical. I get alot more of the local news coverage of this because I live in close proximity. The situation is definately not funny.
Thank you, NE . Not one of us was laughing at what happened to him, and I can't imagine anyone here doing so. It really was perfectly clear. Now, what makes you think I have feelings for that GORGEOUS man that I wouldn't mind assaulting???
LOL perhaps APPRECIATION for NATURAL BEAUTY is a better word than "feelings"

Now that you've put the idea into my head, I've decided it's not just lust...there are a few feelings involved Wonder what the husband will say about this

SaraG · 9/14/2015 8:11 pm

Zurich Moon wrote:
SaraG wrote:
Zurich Moon wrote:

Sara,You probably haven't heard that James Blake survived this dangerous encounter. He did . Neither Spunky, Teluog, NESunrise, nor myself were laughing at James being assaulted. The laughter was clearly in response to my complete and utter lust for James. At the time we exchanged those few chuckles, James was alive, safe and likely being comforted and cared for by that woman he had no business marrying, whom I'm sure is quite lovely. I don't know Spunky, Teluog or NESunrise very well, but I have read enough of their posts to feel comfortable in saying they would never find humor in the assault or killing of an innocent person. Any suggestion to the contrary is entirely foolish and misguided.
Considering that I started this topic, I thought you could assume I know Mr. Blake is alive and well. I am neither foolish or misguided. And, I did not say they would laugh at someone being killed or assaulted. I am saying the situation could have ended in a tragic way and for that reason I don't see how jokes can be made about it. I know you are joking about his looks being great and I get your point. To me he is average looking, but hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Much like humor.

I didn't call you foolish or misguided, Sara...I said any suggestion that we would find humor in the assault or killing of an innocent person is foolish and misguided...big difference. I think everyone here understands what could have happened. And I am delighted that you don't find him attractive to the extent that I do...one less person I have to assault en route to him

Don't give up. These celebrity relationships rarely last. You might still have a chance.